RAPTURE- IS IT PRE, MID or POST TRIBULATION RAPTURE?

[Donald Ratsch]

I am well aware of the Pre, Mid and Post Tribulation Rapture controversy.
Will the Rapture occur just prior to the seven year tribulation period known
as the pretrib rapture or will the rapture occur during the middle of the
tribulation period known as the mid-trib rapture or will the rapture occur
at the end of the tribulation period at armageddon known as the Post-trib
rapture. This morning I was reading my "Good News Bible" (GNB) or "Good
News Translation" (GNT) bible at Isaiah 62:11. The GNT or GNB is not a
revision but a translation of the original Hebrew. As I was reading it I
was visualizing the 1/3 of the remaining Israeli Jews at Petra during the
end of the 7 year tribulation period under great duress who are then acutely
anxiously waiting for their saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ to redeem them.
This verse seems to support the Pre Rapture or maybe the Mid Rapture but
definitely not the Post trib Rapture. That verse at Isaiah says, "THAT THE
LORD IS ANNOUNCING TO ALL THE EARTH: TELL THE PEOPLE OF JERUSALEM THAT THE
LORD IS COMING TO SAVE YOU, BRINGING WITH HIM THE PEOPLE HE HAS RESCUED."

Don Ratsch

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Post by Donald Ratsch
I am well aware of the Pre, Mid and Post Tribulation Rapture

controversy.

Post by Donald Ratsch
Will the Rapture occur just prior to the seven year tribulation period known
as the pretrib rapture or will the rapture occur during the middle of the
tribulation period known as the mid-trib rapture or will the rapture occur
at the end of the tribulation period at armageddon known as the Post-trib
rapture. This morning I was reading my "Good News Bible" (GNB) or "Good
News Translation" (GNT) bible at Isaiah 62:11. The GNT or GNB is not a
revision but a translation of the original Hebrew. As I was reading it I
was visualizing the 1/3 of the remaining Israeli Jews at Petra during the
end of the 7 year tribulation period under great duress who are then acutely
anxiously waiting for their saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ to redeem them.
This verse seems to support the Pre Rapture or maybe the Mid Rapture but
definitely not the Post trib Rapture. That verse at Isaiah says, "THAT THE
LORD IS ANNOUNCING TO ALL THE EARTH: TELL THE PEOPLE OF JERUSALEM THAT THE
LORD IS COMING TO SAVE YOU, BRINGING WITH HIM THE PEOPLE HE HAS RESCUED."
Don Ratsch

Interesting... I hadn't heard about that verse before. There are other old
and new testament versus that support the pre-trib rapture, and much of that
is disclosed here.. Its a compilation of most of the evidence I'm aware of.
Interesting read.

http://www.bcrevolution.ca/rapture_facts.htm

and some info on distinguishing rapture versus from Christ's physical return
as well.
http://www.according2prophecy.org/rapsec.html

[Donald Ratsch]

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Post by Donald Ratsch
I am well aware of the Pre, Mid and Post Tribulation Rapture

controversy.

Post by Donald Ratsch
Will the Rapture occur just prior to the seven year tribulation period

known

Post by Donald Ratsch
as the pretrib rapture or will the rapture occur during the middle of the
tribulation period known as the mid-trib rapture or will the rapture occur
at the end of the tribulation period at armageddon known as the Post-trib
rapture. This morning I was reading my "Good News Bible" (GNB) or "Good
News Translation" (GNT) bible at Isaiah 62:11. The GNT or GNB is not a
revision but a translation of the original Hebrew. As I was reading it I
was visualizing the 1/3 of the remaining Israeli Jews at Petra during the
end of the 7 year tribulation period under great duress who are then

acutely

Post by Donald Ratsch
anxiously waiting for their saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ to redeem them.
This verse seems to support the Pre Rapture or maybe the Mid Rapture but
definitely not the Post trib Rapture. That verse at Isaiah says, "THAT

THE

Post by Donald Ratsch
LORD IS ANNOUNCING TO ALL THE EARTH: TELL THE PEOPLE OF JERUSALEM THAT THE
LORD IS COMING TO SAVE YOU, BRINGING WITH HIM THE PEOPLE HE HAS RESCUED."
Don Ratsch

Interesting... I hadn't heard about that verse before. There are other old
and new testament versus that support the pre-trib rapture, and much of that
is disclosed here.. Its a compilation of most of the evidence I'm aware of.
Interesting read.
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/rapture_facts.htm
and some info on distinguishing rapture versus from Christ's physical return
as well.
http://www.according2prophecy.org/rapsec.html

Your two link are very good. If you want to see a few more verses in the
old testament that refer to the "Rapture" check out
http://home.comcast.net/~sts48/Rapture.html

[Semper Libèr® .]

Post by Donald Ratsch

Post by Donald Ratsch

Post by Donald Ratsch
I am well aware of the Pre, Mid and Post Tribulation Rapture

controversy.

Post by Donald Ratsch
Will the Rapture occur just prior to the seven year tribulation period

known

Post by Donald Ratsch
as the pretrib rapture or will the rapture occur during the middle of the
tribulation period known as the mid-trib rapture or will the rapture occur
at the end of the tribulation period at armageddon known as the Post-trib
rapture. This morning I was reading my "Good News Bible" (GNB) or "Good
News Translation" (GNT) bible at Isaiah 62:11. The GNT or GNB is not a
revision but a translation of the original Hebrew. As I was reading

it

Post by Donald Ratsch

Post by Donald Ratsch

Post by Donald Ratsch
I
was visualizing the 1/3 of the remaining Israeli Jews at Petra during the
end of the 7 year tribulation period under great duress who are then

acutely

Post by Donald Ratsch
anxiously waiting for their saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ to redeem them.
This verse seems to support the Pre Rapture or maybe the Mid Rapture but
definitely not the Post trib Rapture. That verse at Isaiah says, "THAT

THE

Post by Donald Ratsch
LORD IS ANNOUNCING TO ALL THE EARTH: TELL THE PEOPLE OF JERUSALEM THAT THE
LORD IS COMING TO SAVE YOU, BRINGING WITH HIM THE PEOPLE HE HAS RESCUED."
Don Ratsch

Interesting... I hadn't heard about that verse before. There are other old
and new testament versus that support the pre-trib rapture, and much of that
is disclosed here.. Its a compilation of most of the evidence I'm aware of.
Interesting read.
http://www.bcrevolution.ca/rapture_facts.htm
and some info on distinguishing rapture versus from Christ's physical return
as well.
http://www.according2prophecy.org/rapsec.html

Your two link are very good. If you want to see a few more verses in the
old testament that refer to the "Rapture" check out
http://home.comcast.net/~sts48/Rapture.html

will do.. thnx!

[seektruth]

Post by Donald Ratsch
"Good News Bible" (GNB) or
"Good

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News Translation" (GNT) bible at Isaiah 62:11. The GNT or GNB is not a
revision but a translation of the original Hebrew.

KJV Isaiah 62: 11 Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the
world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh;
behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. 12 And they
shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou
shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.

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Isaiah 40:9-10

KJV Isaiah 40: 9 O Zion, that bringest good tidings, get thee up into
the high mountain; O Jerusalem, that bringest good tidings, lift up thy
voice with strength; lift it up, be not afraid; say unto the cities of
Judah, Behold your God! 10 Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong
hand , and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him,
and his work before him.

I'm not a Bible scholar of any great magnitude and neither am I a
linguist or translator. But those that I've read and studied assert
that the King James Version is still the most accurate translation from
the original languages (Hebrew and Greek) even though the older English
is more difficult to understand without some effort in learning the
unrecognized words. Many of the later translations are simply
inaccurate for the sake of ease of reading and other more sinister
purposes, such as to reshape the actual passages into a different
meaning - some in the NIV and the poitically-correct neutered and
feminist version which I'll not honor here by calling it by name.

With that in mind, I see nothing in either of these passages that refer
to the "rapture." I believe in taking the Bible literally where it is
clearly literal and figuratively where the text is clearly figurative.

Both of these passages could be referring to the coming of Jesus as
Messiah, to die on the cross for the sins of the world - his reward is
with him and his work before him. If it were about the rapture, the
reward have to mean His return in the glorified state of being Lord and
KIng possibly with the saints from heaven - his work to be establishing
His kingdom after the time of struggle in which many will perish and
Satan will be defeated and thrown with his dark angels in the bottomless
pit. I can see the holy people - the redeemed of the LORD as the saints
returning with Christ and the remnant of Zion in Jerusalem as the sought
out city not forsaken. The high mountain in the chapter 40 passage
could be Mount Zion itself in Jerusalem.

This is one of many passages that without taking the word of Bible
scholars, who interpret the same scripture passages in different ways,
is not clear exactly what it refers to other than for the remnant in
Zion to be ready for the coming of Messiah in the last days. My
intention is to do more word studies in Hebrew and Greek as this is the
only, true way to get as close an interpretation as possible.

A very clear passage in The Revelation of Jesus Christ that follows the
passages concerning war, plaque, famine and death taking its toll on the
people of the earth is this one in Revelation 6: 9 And when he had
opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were
slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And
they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true,
dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the
earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was
said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until
their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as
they were, should be fulfilled.

If Christians are raptured before the tribulation, who are these
fellowservants and brethren that are martyred for the cause of Christ
during the great tribulation? Are they some who were left behind and
came to a saving grace after the rapture? Or are they from the great
body of Christ who will be tested and tried, called to remain faithful,
strong and true until the end?
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Post by Donald Ratsch
I am well aware of the Pre, Mid and Post Tribulation Rapture

controversy.

Post by Donald Ratsch
Will the Rapture occur just prior to the seven year tribulation period known
as the pretrib rapture or will the rapture occur during the middle of the
tribulation period known as the mid-trib rapture or will the rapture occur
at the end of the tribulation period at armageddon known as the Post-trib
rapture. This morning I was reading my "Good News Bible" (GNB) or "Good
News Translation" (GNT) bible at Isaiah 62:11. The GNT or GNB is not a
revision but a translation of the original Hebrew. As I was reading it I
was visualizing the 1/3 of the remaining Israeli Jews at Petra during the
end of the 7 year tribulation period under great duress who are then acutely
anxiously waiting for their saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ to redeem them.
This verse seems to support the Pre Rapture or maybe the Mid Rapture but
definitely not the Post trib Rapture. That verse at Isaiah says, "THAT THE
LORD IS ANNOUNCING TO ALL THE EARTH: TELL THE PEOPLE OF JERUSALEM THAT THE
LORD IS COMING TO SAVE YOU, BRINGING WITH HIM THE PEOPLE HE HAS RESCUED."
Don Ratsch

Don, just one point. I notice some people refer instead to Isaiah 40 9-10 as
the verse ...

Tell the towns of Judah that their God is coming! 10 The Sovereign Lord is
coming to rule with power, bringing with him the people he has rescued.

Did you mean to say chapter 62?

[Kurt Brown]

I hope I am one of God's people. I am under attack in Mobile Alabama. I
was called a jew when I was a kid here. I did not know but one jewish
family and not closely. My great grandmother was adopted and may have been
a Jew or a Sicilian or Romanian Jew.

The federal government hates me here because I called in the wolves on
federal war machine contracts with Germany's EADS and Airbus.

I have been injected and tortured and partially blinded after FDIC
employment. If we are to go through another holocaust, please kill all of
us and do not let us suffer further. If God is coming, ask him to make the
FBI, SS, and local police stop calling me a terrorist when I enter a store.
They tried to run into me today. The cop said it would have been a no fault
accident. Considering it is a sabotaged truck, perhaps I should speed up
and put a ramming bar on my hood. I might kill one of the enemy in the no
fault accident he caused. Of course he was just an idiot so it would have
just ruined my truck. This has happened twice in a week, once a truck was
leaving the Mobile Police Headquarters, a large dump truck and did not stop,
but i was turning anyway and barely missed him.

If they want war, let us give them sicilian style war and burn everything
including them. Never serve the USA government. We were over run.

I hope God does come. It is said we should not depend on our armies in
Hosea. They depend on theirs. I am only one man.

Kurt Brown, alias Saint Ram Bone, of Mobile Audit Club
http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/democracyordeath/index.html

Post by Donald Ratsch
I am well aware of the Pre, Mid and Post Tribulation Rapture controversy.
Will the Rapture occur just prior to the seven year tribulation period
known as the pretrib rapture or will the rapture occur during the middle
of the tribulation period known as the mid-trib rapture or will the
rapture occur at the end of the tribulation period at armageddon known as
the Post-trib rapture. This morning I was reading my "Good News Bible"
(GNB) or "Good News Translation" (GNT) bible at Isaiah 62:11. The GNT or
GNB is not a revision but a translation of the original Hebrew. As I was
reading it I was visualizing the 1/3 of the remaining Israeli Jews at
Petra during the end of the 7 year tribulation period under great duress
who are then acutely anxiously waiting for their saviour, the Lord Jesus
Christ to redeem them. This verse seems to support the Pre Rapture or
maybe the Mid Rapture but definitely not the Post trib Rapture. That
verse at Isaiah says, "THAT THE LORD IS ANNOUNCING TO ALL THE EARTH: TELL
THE PEOPLE OF JERUSALEM THAT THE LORD IS COMING TO SAVE YOU, BRINGING WITH
HIM THE PEOPLE HE HAS RESCUED."
Don Ratsch

[Kurt Brown]

I hope I am one of God's people. I am under attack in Mobile Alabama. I
was called a jew when I was a kid here. I did not know but one jewish
family and not closely. My great grandmother was adopted and may have been
a Jew or a Sicilian or Romanian Jew.

The federal government hates me here because I called in the wolves on
federal war machine contracts with Germany's EADS and Airbus.

I have been injected and tortured and partially blinded after FDIC
employment. If we are to go through another holocaust, please kill all of
us and do not let us suffer further. If God is coming, ask him to make the
FBI, SS, and local police stop calling me a terrorist when I enter a store.
They tried to run into me today. The cop said it would have been a no fault
accident. Considering it is a sabotaged truck, perhaps I should speed up
and put a ramming bar on my hood. I might kill one of the enemy in the no
fault accident he caused. Of course he was just an idiot so it would have
just ruined my truck. This has happened twice in a week, once a truck was
leaving the Mobile Police Headquarters, a large dump truck and did not stop,
but i was turning anyway and barely missed him.

If they want war, let us give them sicilian style war and burn everything
including them. Never serve the USA government. We were over run.

I hope God does come. It is said we should not depend on our armies in
Hosea. They depend on theirs. I am only one man.

Kurt Brown, alias Saint Ram Bone, of Mobile Audit Club
http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/democracyordeath/index.html

Post by Donald Ratsch
I am well aware of the Pre, Mid and Post Tribulation Rapture controversy.
Will the Rapture occur just prior to the seven year tribulation period
known as the pretrib rapture or will the rapture occur during the middle
of the tribulation period known as the mid-trib rapture or will the
rapture occur at the end of the tribulation period at armageddon known as
the Post-trib rapture. This morning I was reading my "Good News Bible"
(GNB) or "Good News Translation" (GNT) bible at Isaiah 62:11. The GNT or
GNB is not a revision but a translation of the original Hebrew. As I was
reading it I was visualizing the 1/3 of the remaining Israeli Jews at
Petra during the end of the 7 year tribulation period under great duress
who are then acutely anxiously waiting for their saviour, the Lord Jesus
Christ to redeem them. This verse seems to support the Pre Rapture or
maybe the Mid Rapture but definitely not the Post trib Rapture. That
verse at Isaiah says, "THAT THE LORD IS ANNOUNCING TO ALL THE EARTH: TELL
THE PEOPLE OF JERUSALEM THAT THE LORD IS COMING TO SAVE YOU, BRINGING WITH
HIM THE PEOPLE HE HAS RESCUED."
Don Ratsch